Comments on: Anatomy of language shaming https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Fri, 24 May 2019 04:57:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Work in Progress | Hoa Nguyen https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-65825 Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:48:53 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-65825 […] Piller, I. (2017a, Oct 16). Anatomy of language shaming. Retrieved from http://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/ […]

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By: Bal https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47720 Sun, 21 Jan 2018 21:13:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47720 prime minister 💩 DEUBA jiii 💩.... you should have ask for translator or prepared your english before you attend. 😵😵 Thank you so much for insulting our Country. Shame on all those nepalese citizens who suceed to see him as leader of Nepal. And, my second response is 'no' because, gender-specific comments are targeted for women only. Shaming words such as "bitch", "must be in the kitchen" are used to further marginalize Nepali women, reproducing the century-long patriarchal ideologies of the divisions of space in terms of gender. It is unfortunate that Chapagain is shamed on the basis of her gender identity, but Deuba is not on the same ground.]]> I am the sociolinguist- whom Piller in her post is referring to in her post here. I published the original article in a scholarly journal back in 2014, analyzing the comments from a different perspective. Now, it is interesting to see how Piller’s reinterpretation of the data has attracted so many responses. I’m trying to re-read the data from a particular historical and cultural perspective in the context of Nepal, and I want to summarize my views in the following topic. Particularly, I would like to attract readers’ attention to different dimensions of Chapagain’s identity being invoked in the original comments, of which gender is one.

1. These comments both represent and construct the dominant ideologies of English, e.g. the need to use “correct” English. This is particularly portrayed as important in high stake contexts such as the UN meeting. And, unfortunately, ability to speak “good” English in Nepali is equated with intelligence, smartness, generousness, etc. As many people point out, people did not care the content. Paradoxically, though, the people who advocate for “correct” English do not practice their own beliefs, as seen in their comments that contain “errors”.
2. Most comments come from people who are living abroad, either as immigrant workers in the Arabian countries or in the West. This is mainly the result of the mobility and displacement of these people due to the Maoist insurgency from 1996 to 2006. Thousands of people (most innocent civilians) lost their lives in the insurgency, many more displaced, and many still missing. Nepali people had hoped for an economic and social transformation after the Maoists gain power in the government. But the Maoist rulers turned equally, if not more, corrupt, and turned people’s expectations of good government upside down. Chapagain, the speaker being shamed here, is taken by many as a high profile representative of the Maoist party, the government, the killer, and the murder of many (note, she also lost her husband in the war, killed by the state army). To me, this is the identity that becomes more salient here, and the ‘woman’ identity is secondary.
3. Sociolinguist Erving Goffman uses the notions of the “author” (the composer of the message), the “animator” (the conveyer of the message in writing or in speech), and the “principal” (the one whose message is conveyed). Like many commenters, I seriously doubt Chapagain actually drafted the talk or voiced her opinion. This is not unique to her. In recent years, there are documented evidence that the prime minister Deuba (male) read talks that was meant for other events. Online social media in Nepal are very antagonistic toward political leaders, whether they are male or female, educated or uneducated, rural or urban. Chapagain lacking in language (and other) competence portrays her as a ‘typical’ political figure in the context of Nepal.
4. Now a hypothetical question- had there been a man in Chapagain’s place, would he have received the same comments? Yes and no. Yes, because Nepali people have unbelievably high craze for English in recent years, and they unfortunately continue to equate English for intelligence and smartness. For example, the prime minister Deuba was shamed in online media for not being able to speak appropriately/politely with appropriate English in a recent interaction at Columbia University. See the video and the comments here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxP_GdHfguA. Here are some comments:

Uff…. Is this man representing my country???
ts such a disgraceful completely, & totally unconscionable, shame on you 💩prime minister 💩 DEUBA jiii 💩…. you should have ask for translator or prepared your english before you attend. 😵😵 Thank you so much for insulting our Country. Shame on all those nepalese citizens who suceed to see him as leader of Nepal.

And, my second response is ‘no’ because, gender-specific comments are targeted for women only. Shaming words such as “bitch”, “must be in the kitchen” are used to further marginalize Nepali women, reproducing the century-long patriarchal ideologies of the divisions of space in terms of gender. It is unfortunate that Chapagain is shamed on the basis of her gender identity, but Deuba is not on the same ground.

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By: MeganLouise https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47664 Fri, 10 Nov 2017 06:44:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47664 Online trolls are disgusting in the 21st century and i am almost certain that none of the people who made those comments would have the guts to do it in person to her face. It is so sad that she wanted to speak in English and instead of people praising her for her strong efforts, she received this online abuse. It is important to be encouraging and kind towards those who are learning a new language, and to just be kind to people in general really haha (but i am sure everyone on here already does that!)

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By: TDV https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47623 Wed, 08 Nov 2017 12:16:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47623 Thank you for your post. It is a pity that language shaming happens in many circumstances as mentioned in the article that people just concern about how she/he uses English and ignore the content of the speech. This phenomenon also happens commonly in my country – Vietnam. For example, when any celebrities spoke English in a award ceremony overseas or in an interview with a foreign TV, people left a lot of comments with the content of disparaging their English speaking ability. This discourages English learners and makes them lose the confident .

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By: 44209150 https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47621 Wed, 08 Nov 2017 11:38:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47621 It is acknowledged that cases of “language shaming” have gone viral on social media such as on youtube and facebook. The clips I watched was usually to focus on non-English speaking celerities especially their use of English as a center of attention: such examples as Miss Beauty’s speaking English or renowned movies stars’s and singers’ use of English. Those who want to seem to take for granted that these celerities have to speak English well with good pronunciation. Just in case these well-known figures encountered some unexpected minor incidents like mispronunciation or dialect transfer of the mother tongue in English speaking. Without delay, feedbacks and comments for them were available to be posted and criticized. Seemingly, these unfair judgements are confined to a minor aspect of language and have failure to evaluate the whole. English is truly regarded as a powerful language but it is not a tool to gauge the success and competence of a person.

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By: fadiyah https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47606 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 04:09:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47606 Nepalese people emigrate for a better life. The male part of Nepalese who somehow managed to settle down in South-East Asian and Anglophone western countries dare to criticize the Minister for Health and Population of Nepal, the Honorable Dharma Shila Chapagain because of her bad English speech in UN High-Level Meeting on AIDS in New York. It is not fair to put a shame on a woman whose biography is well familiar with harassment and humiliation. The shame is on them who used to humiliate women in their country. The problem is not Chapagain’s poor English, but their own inferiority complex that a woman rules and protects Nepalese women.

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By: YUYANG SHE https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47602 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 03:05:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47602 Hi, I do understand what you mean. I think the fact that these people making harsh comments stay behind the monitors is somehow related to the diffusion of the responsibility. Very often the focus has been shifted to the unexpected aspects rather than the content. Good intensions do not always have good endings because of the aggressive judgements. People who did the shaming hid behind the monitors and thought that they can say whatever they want and went free. When they feel this way, they may give even more harsh comments to seek and enjoy the attention.

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By: MonyCRole https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47563 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 13:56:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47563 Such a shocking story. I hope it is not me overreacting to say this but I guess everyone agrees that whether someone is a native English speaker or not, he/she actually has the right to judge others’ language competence. I could see that in this case, the Minister was bullied for her “terrible” English, for “freedom of speech online” or online violence (it seems that no one needs to take responsibility for the consequences caused by their speech online?), and maybe for her identity of a woman (she looks like vulnerable and easily bullied?).

However, it should be understood that hurting words have huge negative influence on people who either say or hear them. Especially when a woman is treated with discouraging comments from the outside world, crowned as a “shame”. Those who make the comments could not imagine how serious the problem is. Neglecting this responsible woman who perfectly did her job and addressed a fabulous speech about fighting AIDS in front of the world, online commenters chose to criticize her English language skills and destroy her. It seems that the most frequently mentioned words, gender equality and equal language learning opportunity, are simply words for slogans. These comments, I guess, reflect that ignorance and arrogance construct the biggest barrier of social equality.

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By: Mustaqim Haniru https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47555 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 08:13:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47555 Hi Yeji Lee, I could truly relate to you as I have similar situation. Especially in my previous teaching context, many students normally laughed and made fun of their friend who speaks English with a weird accent such as local-language accent or simply a bizarre accent or pronunciation. Thus, it affect greatly to their confidence to speak English or even to engage in classroom practice. Some people in my country, including students are more greatly impressed with the person who can speak English fluenly with American-like or British-like accent compared to those who can’t as they tend to value fluency over massage and content. It is our duty as a language teacher to encourage students to embrace and welcome individuals’ differences, particularly thing that is associated with language capacity.

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By: nawaraj bhandari https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47538 Sun, 29 Oct 2017 04:27:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47538 This text is a perfect example of how a person is criticized because she cannot speak English properly in the public functions. As stated by Professor Ingrid Piller in this article, it proves how the Nepalese are hegemonized by the use of English Language. English language to the Nepalese people today has become a matter of pride. How perfectly one can speak English determines how much intelligent a person is. English language is not only a medium of expressing something but a matter of pride and dignity.
The next issue raised is about Nationalism. ‘She couldn’t speak English properly so she disgraced the nation’, ‘Nepal’s Shame’, ‘bitch’ etc can be analyzed as the commentators are not intelligent rather their nationality is a bubble of soap water. Either they live inside the country or outside their voice seems arrogant and a bit political biased. Use of low class words to criticize ‘Chapagain’ is to scorn her and prove that she knows nothing, and she is not like to be a minister.
Here language has become a strong tool to demoralize and scold Chapagain, which is most in South East Asian countries. People here become great because they scolded somebody not because they have creativity.

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By: Min Wu KIM https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47534 Sun, 29 Oct 2017 02:50:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47534 Thank you for this interesting story. Above all, I can not imagine how harsh life the Nepali minister has gone through. Her experience must be something ordinary people do not experience in their life time. I think the shamer group seems to be one of the ordinary people who live quite well in reasonably developed countries, doing YouTube in their free time. Considering all the career she has been through and the status she has in the government, I don’t think she made a decision to speech in English at UN without considerable thoughts. There can be an issue to consider such as a mistranslation or the effectiveness of English for conveying the content. However, it is shameful that the shamers, most of them were from the country for which the minister came to the front, just focused on the way the minister spoke, not the content she tried to deliver to the world.

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By: X_C_X https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47516 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 02:59:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47516 The Internet anonymity aspect reminds me of “On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog”, an adage about Internet anonymity which began as a cartoon caption by Peter Steiner and published by The New Yorker on July 5, 1993. The cartoon features two dogs: one sitting on a chair in front of a computer, speaking the caption to a second dog sitting on the floor listening to the first. The cartoon symbolises an understanding of Internet privacy that stresses the ability of users to send and receive messages in general anonymity. It is assumed that no one knows since Internet protocols do not force users to identify themselves. The new function shows how Internet communication is liberated from familiar constraints and claims the idea of you can be whoever you what to be and redefine yourself if you want. People don’t look at your body and hear your voice and make assumptions. All they see are your words. This phenomenon is a double edged sword. For the positive aspect, it encourages people who are unable to communicate effectively with people in real lives to successfully socialise through the Internet as anonymity. It also protects people’s right to speak about politics and economy via the form of anonymous letters. Unfortunately, the technology anonymity allows for unethical and dishonest behaviours when people can hide behind it like in this language shaming case.

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By: V.ca https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47510 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 01:02:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47510 Wow, I didn’t know what to say at first. I was clearly stunned because it reminded me of how Filipinos react to other Filipinos when they speak “broken” English, particularly ones with wrong grammar and poor intonation patterns. The first reason: to show them “their place”, is something that I agree with. Most of these shamers want to be seen as more superior. This occurs quite often online because these people can hide behind pseudonyms. In a way, it is a form of cyber-bullying where often these people with poor English skills have no access to quality exposure to the other language. It has become rampant in our society because we are known to be a bilingual/multilingual nation, so it is often assumed that you have been given some form of education for English.

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By: Dee https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47507 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:45:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47507 In reply to Eleonora Beolchi.

I agree with both your comments Katherine and Elly. An important issue has been dismissed, the shamers are focused on an aspect that is superficial in comparison to the topic presented by the minister. Any room for debate or acknowledgement of what the minister has spoken of has been shut down. Furthermore it is disappointing that the shamers are using ‘sexist’ put downs to place further shame on the minister. The minister certainly has been treated disrespectfully by the people posting such comments.

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By: Ulfath Sadia https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47498 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 22:30:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47498 Now a days people are misusing digital media and became so harsh with their language. Some times I reads the comments and get shocked as the people using abusive language are not even native English speakers. I do not feel that A Nepalese or any other person from other language background other than English should care about their English accent. English is spoken internationally and differently in everywhere, and as it is a global language each country can have their own version. I do not thing their is any thing shameful as long as the listener understands the speaker. Now a days people are putting too much emphasis on have American or British accent and harassing people, i think it is totally unnecessary.

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By: lokendra khadka https://languageonthemove.com/anatomy-of-language-shaming/#comment-47496 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:26:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20649#comment-47496 the unfortunate thing about language shaming is that some people relate linguistic incompetency with person’s identity, gender, prestige and so on. For example, in comment 17, a commentator had written down about Chapagain’s speech by relating it with national prestige. such kind of comments really impede the learning process of an individual by devaluing their personal and social respects. another important issue on this article is the political polarities. As the minister is of Maoist party, the followers of other political parties did not react it positively for what messages the speaker transmitted to the rest of the world.

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