Comments on: Can we ever unthink linguistic nationalism? https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Mon, 06 Jan 2025 14:08:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Marián Sloboda https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-111100 Mon, 06 Jan 2025 14:08:28 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-111100 In reply to Nguyen P.

Young people, as far as I can observe (including the Vietnamese in my country), do not use language “freely” as just a “tool for communication”. They also use it as a “representation of another-than-national pride”, to paraphrase your words. By the way they speak, including their adoption of expressions from English, they signal and create cultural and social affiliations, and young people who are in search for their personal identity are very keen precisely on such symbolic language use. Giving an impression of being “free” in expression, they subject themselves to globalized English-language culture (and apparently Korean, too). This is how you can also interpret the situation that you have described using the other words, I believe.

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By: Lies we tell ourselves about multilingualism – Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-105188 Tue, 02 Jan 2024 21:30:56 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-105188 […] Enjoy this latest episode of Chats in Linguistic Diversity! The conversation is a sequel to our previous conversation about whether we can ever unthink linguistic nationalism. […]

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By: Language on the Move Reading Challenge 2024 – Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-104880 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 04:55:01 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-104880 […] a while, as we first spoke to the editor, Aneta Pavlenko, about it in late 2021, when we asked “Can we ever unthink linguistic nationalism?” There probably is no answer to that question and Multilingualism and History does not pretend to […]

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By: Language on the Move Reading Challenge 2022 - Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-87191 Tue, 30 Nov 2021 04:13:36 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-87191 […] Piller recommends Learning Languages in Early Modern England by John Gallagher. A further nail in the coffin of the idea that multilingualism and superdiversity are modern phenomena, this book traces language learning in the early modern period – of European languages by British […]

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-85041 Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:00:31 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-85041 In reply to Jeff.

Thanks, Jeff! You are raising important questions! There is no doubt in my mind that linguistic nationalism can sometimes be counter-hegemonic … just goes to prove the point that almost any generalization about language is meaningless; what we mean by “this is a language and these are its properties” is different not only across history but also across different local contexts.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-85039 Mon, 18 Oct 2021 05:54:23 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-85039 In reply to Frances Tran.

Thanks, Frances! Great to see another language aficionado – I also like to learn languages because I find them endlessly fascinating 🙂

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By: Nguyen P https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84990 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:58:37 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84990 Linguistic nationalism in Vietnam also relates to keeping the “integrity” or “pure-ness” of the Vietnamese language. Since Vietnamese is integrated with Vietnam as a culture, nation, and people, many people (mostly elderly) think that the language should be maintained and embraced. In my opinion, this is a good intention. However, with the recent emergence in foreign languages, culture, and globalization, code-switching or lending words have become more and more common in Vietnamese. Nowadays, most young people would use some English vocabulary in their daily life, some would alter a large portion of their casual lexicon. This has caused a large debate among Vietnamese media, education institutions, and generations. While the conservative side wishes to keep people from using Vietnamese language the traditional way, young people wish to use language freely. I would consider if “unthinking linguistics nationalism” could make people more tolerant to using language freely. When language is considered as a tool (for communication), and less of a representation of national pride that I have to mind.

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By: Jeff https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84987 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 12:58:30 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84987 I think some incredibly important topics were discussed in this interview and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you.
One point that I wish was discussed more is how culture and place are tied to a language and how these aspects of human identity are linked to linguistic nationalism. Certainly, the great unmixing of peoples has caused untold damage to these links. However, I believe linguistic nationalism includes the cultural attitudes and values that are shaped and expressed through the language spoken in each country. Therefore, languages being associated with nations could be a form of protectionism since cultural ideals are not far away from political ideologies and social power. This may have something to do with the modern nation-state acting more as a corporation on the global market. These nation-states have different economic and power structures than the past empires discussed in the interview. I wonder if modern nationalist emotions surrounding a nation’s language is a reaction to this new global power structure.

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By: Anaid https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84986 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 12:44:30 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84986 In reply to Ian P.

Thanks Professor Ingrid for sharing this remarkable podcast.
I agreed with Ian, the globalisation has had many effects on language positive and negative. However with the globalisation has allowed languages and cultures to spread more in the last couple years. At the same time it has taken other languages and cultures to the extinction. In other words, no everything has been black or white. Thus, the opportunity to be multilingual, learn more than two languages is not just a myth.

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By: Siyao https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84985 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 12:41:03 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84985 Dear Ingrid,

Thank you for sharing this podcast. This is a conversation worth thinking about. I have investigated the language phenomenon in China and found that multilingualism is also on the decrease. In the past thirty years, Chinese (Mandarin) in China has risen rapidly and has been used as the main means of communication in employment, education, service, entertainment, and daily conversation. With the implementation of the “Putonghua Promotion Movement” in the 1950s, the status and learning of Tibetan, Uyghur, Mongolian, and Zhuang languages have been threatened. An indirect impact is that the vocabulary of some local languages and minority languages gradually gave way to the corresponding vocabulary in the current Chinese. For example, the pronunciation is getting closer and closer to the Chinese, and a large number of new words are borrowed from the Chinese. In some minority areas, the development of various bilingual education programs may accelerate the rate of language transfer and loss. Some larger ethnic minorities have resisted the language challenges brought about by the spread of Chinese, while some ethnic minorities have caught the opportunity to protect their heritage.

References:
https://theasiadialogue.com/2015/06/12/multilingualism-discourse-and-identity-in-china/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288473225_Multilingualism_in_Greater_China_and_the_Chinese_Language_Diaspora

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By: Monica https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84978 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 10:06:00 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84978 What I enjoyed about is interview with Aneta is the really interdisciplinary nature of the discussion. I often think of linguistics as dealing with current-day topics, but I was particularly intrigued by the discussion of the Norman regime in Palermo and found it really interesting to hear about the primary sources that are used to better understand how this multilingual regime operated. It was fascinating to hear how sources such as administrative documents, charters, trial proceedings etc can tell us so much about how people wrote and spoke and how language shaped power relations in this historical regime.

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By: Frances Tran https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84977 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 09:33:04 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84977 Thanks for your sharing,
In the past or present, everyone is always willing to learn the new things to make the life better and it is similar to willing to learn new language. The multilingualism gives chance to help people to achieve their goals.
The multilingualism of the present is more than before in the quantity, not in the purpose because language is just a tool in communication. The difference of the past and the present is what language world tent to learn. In the past, the Spanish and French are top, even if English nobleman also learned these languages but now it is changing, English is the top and maybe in the future another language replace for English to become top. In my opinion, multilingualism is great; I’m learning Spanish because it serves for my desiring.

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By: Hee Won Song https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84976 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 09:28:22 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84976 Thanks Ingrid for this podcast.
It made me rethink and reflect about multilingualism. Living in a multicultural society my whole life, I had a very positive view on multilingualism and I thought that it reflected equality of the Australian society. However after listening to Aneta’s view about the nature of multilingualism within an hierarchical language structure. Looking back, I have seen scenes where people look down and devalue Australian residents who are non-English speakers. Learning a second language is difficult in general and for non-english speakers who live in Australia, they would definitely find it difficult to learn English. I think those who speak English should be considerate to people with who don’t speak English and should not position themselves on top of the hierarchy. However scenes like this would happen and will continue happen in the Australia, which conveys the unequal nature of multilingualism.

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By: tviq https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84955 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 03:16:18 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84955 Thanks for sharing!
In 19th & 20th century China, Hong Kong was a British colony or territory, and the local people had to accept English instead of Chinese, which is one of the reasons for the increase in multilingualism. Because English occupies the most important part of the society in that region, whether in education or politics, people use English a lot. Even now that Hong Kong has returned to Chinese rule, English is still mixed into the conversation. However, under the current development trend of the whole region, the benefits of multilingualism outweigh its disadvantages, and the attitude of any nation toward multilingualism has also changed greatly.While the world is no more multilingual than it has ever been, who knows what may happen years from now.

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By: Alicia https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84928 Sat, 16 Oct 2021 20:30:49 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84928 The language of a country is inextricably linked to the political and economic domain of society. As Aneta states in the lecture, the different languages have their own place on the Rosetta Stone, which reflects the linguistic order of the society of the time, a social reality and also the hierarchical relationship between languages. This reflects the will of the rulers. A certain linguistic order exists in any community that is not monolingual, in a country or even in the international community. Even in more monolingual communities or countries there is a hierarchical relationship between the official language and the dialects, for example, in China the official language is Chinese, or Mandarin; at the same time there are different dialects in different parts of the country, such as Cantonese, Hokkien, Wu, etc.

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By: Enkhzaya Regzendorj https://languageonthemove.com/can-we-ever-unthink-linguistic-nationalism/#comment-84908 Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:35:08 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23633#comment-84908 Thank you, Ingrid and Aneta, for such an interesting podcast and post.
Very inspiring advice for young scholars to see things differently and not to be afraid of chasing your area of interest.

I am fascinated by Aneta’s earlier post on how countries were so acceptable and tolerant to multilingualism and I was surprised to see how people managed to communicate within those languages. From my point of view, even though we are living in such a globalized society, I cannot say multilingualism is better than before or past. I have seen or heard that people came from different countries (immigrants) from minority languages backgrounds have been discriminated against when they use their own languages in public or being told to use their language instead which is truly sad that acceptance of multilingualism is becoming narrow these days.

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