Comments on: How do universities decide whose English needs to be tested for admission? https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Sun, 22 Jun 2025 20:23:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: September 2024: English Is Not Thriving Everywhere – Language, Culture and Justice Hub https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-116548 Sun, 22 Jun 2025 20:23:08 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-116548 […] tradition are frequently exempted from proficiency testing. Agnes Bodis and Ingrid Piller document the same phenomenon in Australian higher education, describing a distinction between what they term “inherent English” and “tested English.” […]

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By: International students’ English language proficiency in the spotlight again – Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-105545 Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:34:23 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-105545 […] Furthermore, language testing is administered selectively and not every applicant’s  language proficiency gets tested, entrenching inequality between different student groups from the outset. […]

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By: Language on the Move 2023 – Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-105062 Tue, 26 Dec 2023 21:04:22 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-105062 […] Ingrid Piller, How do universities decide whose English needs to be tested for admission? […]

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By: Sihoon https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104318 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 12:49:54 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104318 In reply to Ingrid Piller.

Because my comment for this post is related to this, I believe it is fair that other people are noticing it as well. English proficiency can be measured in so many ways, not to mention that language proficiency doesn’t always show on the surface, there is potential to fluency as well. For example, I have met people who can speak English but they are not “up to standard” for the US education system which made them get a test score or a certification, despite the fact that they can speak English and come from a country where English is one of the languages recognized as a lingua franca.

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By: Anonymous https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104314 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 09:43:12 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104314 In reply to Ingrid Piller.

Dear Ingrid, It’s a million-dollar question!

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104311 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 06:49:14 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104311 In reply to Anonymous.

Good point about deteriorating test scores indicating a mismatch between what is being tested and actual communicative ability. The problem is what the alternative to English language proficiency testing in university admission would be?

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By: Anonymous https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104310 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 03:28:22 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104310 This article really connects with many students, especially those coming from non-English speaking countries and aiming to study in an English-speaking nation. Indeed, English proficiency tests don’t always fully capture one’s true ability to speak, write, or comprehend English effectively. In my experience, many students demonstrate a strong command of the language but struggle to achieve high scores in tests like IELTS, possibly due to being unfamiliar with the specific marking criteria used in these exams. There’s a paradox I have witnessed, where individuals secure high scores in English proficiency tests, yet their actual language skills don’t necessarily match the achieved scores. They excel by meeting the test’s specific criteria, which might not fully reflect their genuine language proficiency level. One of the most perplexing aspects, in my opinion, is the validity duration imposed on these test scores. I have seen cases where people living in English-speaking countries who initially got high scores on English proficiency tests did worse on subsequent tests after their previous scores expired. This raises a question: Does one’s language proficiency decline after obtaining a good score and living in an English-speaking environment?
This is very interesting because it makes us think about how well someone knows a language and how tests measure this. There’s a difference between test scores and how people actually use the language in real life, and it’s a puzzle that’s worth looking into more.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104306 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 00:29:01 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104306 In reply to Hao.

Good on you! 🙂 the relationship between IELTS score and teaching ability is highly questionable, of course, as your example shows.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104305 Sun, 05 Nov 2023 00:26:39 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104305 In reply to Hao.

Thanks, Hao! In our research we’ve found that people arriving in Australia with a high test score often struggled a lot with simple everyday communication. So, the relationship between tested proficiency and actual ability to communicate is in no way straightforward. The relationship becomes even more tenuous with the increasing use of AI in test preparation (e.g., studying only vocabs associated with a particular IELTS level)

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By: Hao https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104295 Sat, 04 Nov 2023 11:01:35 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104295 In reply to Sha.

Language ability tests always confuse me. At the old English centre I used to work at, HR said that only 5% of applicants are selected to become their teachers. I applied and took the test at this centre. To add more, at that time, I only knew my English ability was about 6.0 IELTS (I had an IELTS 6.0 certificate that expired 4-5 years ago), and when I was convinced that I had failed, I passed not only the test but also the demo teaching. Meanwhile, I heard that some teachers with higher IELTS scores (7.5 or higher) failed that language test. That doesn’t make sense to me at all.

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By: Hao https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104294 Sat, 04 Nov 2023 10:54:08 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104294 This topic is really interesting because, as you know, not only IELTS but we also have PTE or TOEFL. In Vietnam, we accept both TOEIC and VSTEP (Vietnamese Standardized Test of English Proficiency). Although they are all English proficiency tests, the topics, difficulty levels, test formats, etc., of these tests are almost different. There are always debates about which test is better or more difficult for learners. In some tests, you can memorize or learn tips to get high scores and vice versa, and some exams require you to have social knowledge, diverse vocabulary or more academic writing. Personally, many times, I doubt whether scoring high on the above exams will help me communicate effectively in life or be qualified to study abroad.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104172 Wed, 01 Nov 2023 06:14:03 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104172 In reply to Sha.

🙁

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By: Sha https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104171 Wed, 01 Nov 2023 06:05:16 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104171 In reply to Ingrid Piller.

Hi Ingrid! It was a teaching job. IELTS was their main qualification, however, I did not pass the minimum requirement.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104168 Wed, 01 Nov 2023 04:12:01 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104168 In reply to Sha.

Thanks, Sha! It’s great you can look at the bright side of an experience that feels like a career setback and waste of money. What kind of job did you apply for and was IELTS directly relevant to the role?

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By: Sha https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104165 Wed, 01 Nov 2023 03:45:43 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104165 This article reminds me of my experience from two years ago when I applied for a job in other country that required me to provide IELTS. I took the test, hoping it would open doors to exciting opportunities, but self-doubt crept in, making me question my test – taking abilities.

After all the preparation and effort, unfortunately, they didn’t hire me. What added to the frustration was the realization that IELTS certificate had a two – year expiration. Not only did this feel like setback in my career, but also felt like a waste of money, given the cost of the test.

At the end of the day, I can say I tried my best and it was such a valuable experience!

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/how-do-universities-decide-whose-english-needs-to-be-tested-for-admission/#comment-104159 Tue, 31 Oct 2023 23:27:52 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=24633#comment-104159 In reply to Nurunnahar.

You are so right, Nurunnahar! Language testing is such an imperfect pseudo-objective gatekeeping mechanism. Many of the participants in our research about Life in a new language sat IELTS multiple times to get the score they needed for visa purposes, spent a lot of money on test preparation and the test itself, and then still found that they could not actually communicate on arrival … what would you suggest how language proficiency should be assessed for university admission? Or should it be assessed at all?

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