Comments on: How to end native speaker privilege https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Sun, 13 Sep 2020 00:27:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Jon https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-49270 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 02:40:17 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-49270 Thankyou for this fascinating account of the language of the British Raj. I recently read this article by another great Briton, Professor M.A.K. Halliday, familiar to you all, who, , in his reflections on learning Chinese, endorses non-native language speakers as teachers of Chinese.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21698252.2014.893675

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By: Rahel https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48605 Tue, 03 Jul 2018 00:08:34 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48605 I really enjoyed reading this! It made me wonder whether native speakerism will become more relevant in the context of English language education at schools in Germany in the future. My English teachers were all German. But the requirements for English language teachers in training, and supposedly for those of other languages, for degree completion have already changed over time: students are now required to study part of their degree in an English speaking country overseas. Who knows, maybe they will be replaced by English “native speakers” one day.

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By: Eugenia https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48308 Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:53:40 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48308 The title “How to end Native Speaker Privilege” is misleading. The article, in its first paragraphs, does a nice job of pointing out the problem, but the launches in to a history of something completely different. While the latter in an interesting sociolingistic example of linguistic appropriation, it never circles back to what was ostensibly promised in the title.

Moreover, it was unclear to my how this history exemplified the “native speaker fallacy,” i. e. that native speakers are better teachers, as, in the end, it was the non-native speakers (the Britons) who considered themselves the knowers, although they lacked linguistic competence.

As a history of language teaching in early nineteenth century India, it was quite nice.

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By: Amal Ibrahim https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48272 Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:11:47 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48272 In reply to Hanna.

I agree with everything you said. I did study other languages and draw on that experience when I teach sometimes. It does help to put yourself in your students’ place.

I remember working with a teacher who was a native speaker some years back. She had spent some time in a particular country where it seemed to me that they boosted her ego. She was a great teacher, but she also seemed to get caught up in this fantasy that her being a native speaker somehow gave her special powers. So I believe that sometimes non-native speakers put native speakers on a pedestal without necessarily realizing their own worth and therefore contributing to the problem.

I also remember one of my former colleagues from India who didn’t seem to realize her worth even though the few native speakers that were there often sought out her advice and knowledge.

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By: Amal Ibrahim https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48271 Wed, 06 Jun 2018 11:57:17 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48271 In reply to Richard.

Actually, I believe that one way to do this is to teach our students some of these ideas. When I was teaching phonetics, I would point out that it was important to be clear and that it was not expected of them to sound like me or any other native speaker. We want them to understand how the sounds are made and to be clear enough in their speech to be understood.

Also, nowadays, it’s more important than ever to expose students to different varieties of English or any language being taught because it represents the real world. And it’s even true of native speakers because we all know that no two native speakers are alike nor do they speak exactly the same even when they’re from the same country. I also believe that attitudes need to change from all sides. This means the attitudes of those who believe they are superior because they were born into the language as well as those who have been told and convinced of the very same idea.

That’s my humble opinion.

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By: Amal Ibrahim https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48270 Wed, 06 Jun 2018 11:45:50 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48270 In reply to Language on the Move.

Thanks!

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By: Hanna https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48269 Wed, 06 Jun 2018 02:17:18 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48269 This is case study goes right to the heart of the problem – that it’s never just about language. While reading it I reflected on my TESOL training course which encouraged teachers in training to take a language subject, in order that we would understand the second language learning process. However, it was not compulsory. Many of the “native-speaker” TESOL teachers I have worked with over the years have not actually experienced formal language instruction in a second language, particularly with that language as the language of instruction. I cannot think of any other subject area where you can gain a teaching qualification in a skill you have not mastered yourself. Learning English as your first (and often only) language is simply nothing like learning it as an additional language of education, business or whatever else. This is not to underrate these dedicated TESOL teachers in the field (of which I am one) but to point out that there is a serious underrating of the skill level of “non-native speaker” teachers who usually have actually achieved in their second language what they are also teaching. I think one way to address the problem would be if TESOL training courses from prestigious institutions required all TESOL teachers to be high-level bi-multilinguals, not only those who speak English as a second language.

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By: Ingrid https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48268 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 23:01:52 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48268 In reply to Richard.

Thanks, Richard! The key point of the case study is that the native vs non-native teacher debate is not about language. Whatever one may think of the case-study, the British were effective in displacing one group of privileged knowers of a language with another group … is there a “practical lesson or techniques that we can use to fight the problem of native-speakerism today” in the post? That’s for readers to decide 🙂 … phenomena like Chinese superstar cram school English teachers certainly seem to indicate that transformations are underway …

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By: Richard https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48265 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 04:44:55 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48265 Hello, great paper and very interesting history. But, I can’t see why this is called ‘How to end native speaker privilege’ as if this is something that applies to today’s context. Afterall, the ultimate aim of the British was to replace the Persian language with English as the status language of government. What are the actual practical lessons or techniques that we can use to fight the problem of native-speakerism today? Many thanks!

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By: Beyond the symbolic violence dome of the native speaker teacher – EFL Notes https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48264 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:10:45 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48264 […] article titled How to end native speaker privilege was posted recently on the always readable site Language on the Move. It includes an intriguing […]

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By: Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48263 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 07:57:55 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48263 In reply to Amal Ibrahim.

So sorry to hear that! Keep up the good work and best wishes! And we always welcome guest bloggers with novel perspectives on language learning, intercultural communication and multilingualism … 🙂

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By: Amal Ibrahim https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48262 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 07:12:01 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48262 In reply to Ingrid.

I read the blog post you mentioned, and it’s a shame. I can honestly say that no matter how “American” I sound, often people cannot seem to see past my scarf or the color of my skin. It’s so bad at times that I am even unable to convince people that I do not have any other origins. It wasn’t so long ago that I applied for a job and got an email back saying they only hired native speakers which made me laugh. In any case, thank you for the interesting posts and topics.

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By: Ingrid https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48261 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 06:16:53 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48261 In reply to Amal Ibrahim.

Thanks, Amal Ibrahim, for your comment! That native speaker status is very much embodied is further evidence that discussions about who makes the better teacher are not about language at all … have you seen this blog post about English language teaching and race?

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By: Amal Ibrahim https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48256 Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:26:27 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48256 I don’t subscribe to the idea that a person needs to be a native speaker to teach a language though I did want to be taught by a native speaker when I first started studying Arabic. However, I was also taught Arabic courses by non-native speakers. I studied French and Russian with American teachers and do not believe that I missed out on anything. Therefore, I find this topic interesting for so many reasons because even though I’m a native speaker of English, I don’t necessarily enjoy the privileges. My name doesn’t sound like the name of a native speaker, and also my complexion does not match that of what people have decided a native speaker looks like. This includes native speakers of English as well as those who seek out native speakers. You can also add to that the American vs British issue. I am American and have actually had to listen to people who believe that if you want to learn English, it must be RP in order for it to be of any value. “British English is standard English.”

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By: Gegentuul https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48251 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:55:32 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48251 Really enjoyed reading it! The language teaching industry is somehow characterised by ” a pursuit of cultural ignorance by mastering an instrumental tool”.

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By: Madiha Neelam https://languageonthemove.com/how-to-end-native-speaker-privilege/#comment-48245 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 03:16:06 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=20988#comment-48245 Very interesting and very true!
I personally second the idea that desirable linguistic competence is marked by what privileged speakers of that language follow or know. our idealization of native speakers of English is so much entrenched in our institutional settings that we cannot even afford the idea of a non native speaker taking the leading role and which may challenge the hegemony of the native speaker. And history, like you have described here, proves whenever it has happened, the non-privileged speakers of language are very conveniently taken out from positions wich place them one step higher than the idealized speakers of language-the naive speakers!

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