Comments on: Is English improving lives in a remote Indonesian village? https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Riser https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-47475 Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:17:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-47475 Dear Ingrid,
I am super glad to read this article since I come from one of the developing provinces, East Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia and somehow experience the issues that Nico had raised in his thesis. I would like to congratulate to Nico who had done a great ethnography research on Teaching English in poor environment and got a thesis publication. I feel like Nico already represented the issues that have been experienced by hundred even thousand students and teachers in rural areas in Indonesia.

here I would like to share my teaching experience in one of suburb area in Kupang, Indonesia where I taught English for 20-male students in one Maritime Vocational Senior High School. As a young teacher who just graduated from uni, I brought all the ideal teaching philosophy and atmosphere and always wanted to teach English in fun way and used creative teaching resources and media in class. However, the facts I found in the school were not the same as I expected. I faced lots of difficulties in teaching English in this suburb area due to lack of teaching resources and demotivated students. The school did not provide the English textbooks for the students and only had a set of syllabus which informed the teachers about the English materials. Besides, the schools also did not have any supporting facilities, like printers or photocopy machines, therefore, I had to create my teaching materials and go to city to print out some teaching materials for teaching. The sad thing was that teachers used their own money to afford the teaching materials because the schools would not pay extra for it.
Moreover, I sometimes found myself almost giving up on teaching because I felt like doing many things for nothing. I said “doing things for things” because my students have a very low motivation in English. My students in suburb area did not see any benefits in learning English after high school and out of school. They said that English is not used in daily communication therefore learning English at school was merely to pass the exam. After all, they would only work on domestic ship and got a good money-making job. This statement is relatable to the world described by Nico where compulsory English study under these conditions not produce any results but it attracts a cost and leaves a burden for both teacher and students.

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By: Long life Education https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-19002 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 23:08:47 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-19002 […] Nikolaus,(2013) Is English improving lives in a remote Indonesian village? http://languageonthemove.com/language-globalization/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indon… accessed on 25 July […]

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By: Martin Lamb https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-14917 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:05:34 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-14917 I’m glad to have come across this blog, with its many interesting and provocative posts about language life in the 21st century, and especially glad that Nico Pasassung’s thesis got some publicity. It was clearly a ground breaking work, the type of ethnography that we need much more of. I would just suggest though that times are changing, even in quite remote rural contexts. In 2010 I conducted some research comparing the motivation to learn English of junior high school learners in town and villages in eastern Sumatra, recently published in the Journal of Multilingual and Multicultural Development 34/1 (‘Your Mum and Dad can’t teach you!’: Constraints on agency among rural learners of English in the Developing World). My purpose was to draw attention to the fact that many rural learners desire English in the same way as their urban counterparts – for largely imagined future benefits – but have far less chance of satisfying their aspirations. Perhaps things have changed a little though since Nico’s research took place; firstly English is even more entrenched in Indonesian society – it may not have much function in the village, but it’s certainly needed to get out of the village. Secondly mobile technology is giving kids access to English on the web and the opportunity to communicate with other international English users – so both increasing the desire for English and also the means to acquire it.

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By: Fenty Siregar https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-14827 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 22:54:12 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-14827 Thank you for sharing this information. We need a lot of information about research conducted in Indonesia. Regarding the Indonesian government’s plan to omit English is that English will not be a compulsory subject at elementary level in Indonesia. Officially English is not compulsory in Indonesia; however, we have a “muatan lokal” (local content) subjects in our curriculum and some schools put English under the local content subjects together with local languages. The Indonesian government’s latest view can be read in this link http://edukasi.kompas.com/read/2012/11/13/11331821/Sekali.Lagi.Ditegaskan.Bahasa.Inggris.SD.Tak.Dihapus. Unfortunately it was written in Indonesia. I will try to find another article which is written in English and post it here.

Once again thank you for sharing Nicolaus Pasassung’s thesis.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-14430 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 03:40:16 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-14430 In reply to Nico.

Thanks, Nico! It’s great to see you on Language on the Move whenever you can make it! All the best!

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By: Nico https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-14425 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:42:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-14425 In reply to Kimie Takahashi 高橋君江.

Sorry for this late gratitude (I have always been late due to several reasons amongst other is internet connection problem .
Thanks a lot Ingrid for blogging my work. You are such of help that I nobody else can be. I have shared it among my networks, and hopefully it will attract people’s interests. The points you highlight are fascinating and capture the important parts of the thesis. The title well-reflects a major issue that requires serious consideration from language education policy makers in Indonesia to rethink of the current English Language Teaching in the context of Indonesia.

Kimie, Thanks for your support. Hopefully, people in Thailand will be aware of the contribution you make for better development of the country.

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By: Li Jia https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13813 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:30:20 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13813 In reply to Sinjoro ENG.

Saluton Sinjoro,

Many thanks for your suggestions. I’m from Yunnan bordering Burma, Vietnam and Laos. Over the past few years, the Yunnan government has encouraged the locals to choose bordering languages rather than English as the only compulsory school subject at school (high school and university). But due to many reasons, such promotion of the bordering languages can not be widely acknowledged by the people in this province. At least the minorities like Dai people would rather choose English and give up learning their own language even though Dai language is very much similar to Thai, Vietnam and Laos languages. So I think whether to teach them English or Esperanto should not come to the first concern. If the future learning groups have their own languages, probably I could first of all raise their awareness of cherishing their own linguistic heritage while teaching them English.

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By: Khan https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13702 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:27:04 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13702 Ethnography in its essences is counter-hegemonic. What a fantastic study. Thanks very much Professor for sharing it. I still need to understand how globetrotting academic elites come, touch, and go, leaving their verdicts on very complex issues of classroom dynamics situated in particular history and socio-economic settings- without going to the classes!. Notice the comments on curriculum and methods of language teaching by experts who seem to give the impressions that methods of teaching language are neutral and thereby universal. One of the results of such marketing forces of ELT is that we are surronded by a jungle of terminologies- each new term is projected as the new, the best, the unique, the never- experimented. No wonder billion dollar industry and colleauge have written about these issues. As I have the bad habit of tracing the history, I find myself often snubbed for turning the pages of history of langauge teaching where in the current ELT world, little do I find really new.

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By: Sinjoro ENG https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13698 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:08:54 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13698 In reply to Li Jia.

Saluton Li Jia,

Reading from the brief context of the comment, I gather that you are from China. I would suggest you to learn Esperanto and join the Esperantists in China to teach Esperanto in the rural schools. The trend has changed and if you have read the book English Next, you should know the international language would not be English as in the past.

Esperanto no only have the propaedeutic value, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaedeutic_value_of_Esperanto

Esperanto also has other value. The rural areas lack of resources and English language requires lots of time and resources to learn it, thus, to equip the poor with an international language, Esperanto is the best choice. http://www.mondeto.com/1/post/2011/09/immediate-and-lasting-advantages-of-early-esperanto-1-
brain-building.html

You can type in Chinese 世界语to look at the activities in China. China is a branch of Esperanto International Teacher Association so as Vietnam and Indonesia.

We are building ASEAN to use Esperanto as a common language.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13689 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 04:52:31 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13689 In reply to Sinjoro ENG.

Dankon, Sinjora ENG, for the link to the fascinating article in the Jakarta Post! The comments section is even more intriguing than the actual article …

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By: Sinjoro ENG https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13687 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 04:41:46 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13687 Saluton

Don’t worry, the government of Indonesia is all the time liberal if compared with Malaysia as there is no act written English must be taught in schools like Malaysia. Now the government of Indonesia has decided to ‘omit’ teaching English. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/10/11/govt-omit-english-primary-schools.html

In fact, when I talked to my friends in Indonesia, they told me that they can choose to learn many foreign languages like Japanese, German, Chinese, French in the high school.

The wish of many in ASEAN would be the government can introduce Esperanto in the primary school like in China. Nicole has mentioned a very valid point that give an easy start to the children with Esperanto.

I wish my government in Malaysia would hear that voice from Nicole.

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By: Kimie Takahashi 高橋君江 https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13643 Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:40:28 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13643 Thanks, Ingrid, for blogging about Nico’s research! I hope he’ll get it published soon as it deals with a very important issue for us in Southeast Asia. I’ve been hearing similar stories here in Thailand. It’s amazing how the fact that they don’t need English or have no opportunity to use English outside classroom is considered as a problem or a sign of backwardness that needs to be fixed… Nico’s research challenges the ‘nothing is more important than English” mindset that is widespread here, urging us to continue to question the link between English and development.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13444 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:02:42 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13444 In reply to Li Jia.

Thanks, Li Jia! Please don’t let my post detract you from following your dreams! Setting up a school in a remote area is a noble aspiration and I’m sure much good would come of it. Maybe I’ll even join you 🙂

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By: Li Jia https://languageonthemove.com/is-english-improving-lives-in-a-remote-indonesian-village/#comment-13436 Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:39:19 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=13378#comment-13436 Before reading your post, my husband and I used to discuss what we would do after our retirement. He and I agree to set up a school in a most remote area and I would be in charge of teaching kids English for I used to believe that with a good command of English, one could get easier access to many good chances in society. But now if you ask me whether English could really change their lives, I have to question myself to what extent their lives might be improved by my help with their English.

It is true that 13 years ago, after my graduation, 50 % of BA and BS students could find a good job, say, working as university teachers, but nowadays anyone who wants to be a university teacher would have to have a doctorate degree as one of the required conditions. Take English major students in China for example. Normally there are 120 students in each grade in my university (which is one of the famous comprehensive universities in China’s 211 Project Lists) , and around 20 of them would be an MA students in future. I really wonder how many of them would finally become a PhD student in future. One or two? So chances would be very slow for them to do their PhD study in future, in other words, less than 1% of English majored students would be able to use English to improve their lives.

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