Comments on: Language costs https://languageonthemove.com/language-costs/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Mon, 11 Jul 2022 08:32:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Anton Melser https://languageonthemove.com/language-costs/#comment-94730 Mon, 11 Jul 2022 08:32:19 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=7735#comment-94730 It’s a little late but there is some interesting info mentioned https://www.holoniq.com/notes/60b-d2c-language-learning-market-to-double-by-2025-led-by-digital-delivering-3x-growth/, which in turn cites https://www.uwinnipeg.ca/global-english-education/countries-in-which-english-is-mandatory-or-optional-subject.html. It would also be interesting to see just how “optional” English is in those countries where it is cited as optional rather than required.

One thing is certain, globally absolutely colossal sums are spent on both formal and informal language education (learning?). Many scholars (Heller, Duchene, and plenty more…) have written about how deeply various ideologies are embedded in both mandatory (government, national, economic,…) and non-mandatory (religious, social, political, economic,…) language teaching and educational technologies. When you add mountains of money to that mix, it is perhaps unsurprising that no one is really interested in finding ways for people to learn *efficiently* on their own (self-directed) using real-world language.

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By: Michael https://languageonthemove.com/language-costs/#comment-9866 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:54:20 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=7735#comment-9866 Very good. Sometimes learning a foreign language hasn’t anything to do with any practical purpose. but it can create the feeling of being cosmopolitan…

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/language-costs/#comment-6628 Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:24:40 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=7735#comment-6628 In reply to khan.

Thanks, Khan. “Lisa goes to London” sounds like pure magic. And I think that’s what the function of learning English has become in many contexts: the opium of the people. The lesson also reminds me of one observed by Nikolas Passasung in his ethnography of English language learning in a remote village on Sulawesi: the children there had to learn the word “vacuum cleaner” – the meaning of which was a huge mystery in a place without electricity …

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By: khan https://languageonthemove.com/language-costs/#comment-6572 Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:29:56 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=7735#comment-6572 Very interesting discussion. I would like to share how the macro discourse of English Only unfolds in a grade six school in Karachi where pupils attend this particular school because it claims to be an English medium school. The school is located in a shanty area of Karachi and is attended by children of low-income group. “Lisa London goes to London” is the title of their English Language. The book describes the success story of a young girl Lisa who gets a free trip to London because she excels in English. Lisa lands at Heathrow from where she is taken to Hyde Park, London eye. The teacher did her best to explain what Hyde Park, Heathrow and London eye looked like. I kept noticing pupils’ efforts to visualize them and above Lisa free trip to London because she did so well in English. It is definitely difficult to say what must be going on in the minds of these learners who probably have not seen even Karachi but one thing is sure that the school is successful.
Khan

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/language-costs/#comment-6512 Sat, 26 Nov 2011 03:33:50 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=7735#comment-6512 In reply to Christof Demont-Heinrich.

Agree and it’s frustrating to see that mostly TESOL and all the promoters of global English as natural, neutral and beneficial get away with pretending that this is not so …

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By: Christof Demont-Heinrich https://languageonthemove.com/language-costs/#comment-6501 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:44:30 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=7735#comment-6501 Very interesting calculations on the cost of English in S. Korea. On a macro level, even beyond language, what we’re seeing is a top-down model of human social organization. This model places primary value on social/cultural practices of groups located at the top while comparatively devaluing the social/cultural practices of those further down the chain. Those higher up rarely learn languages of groups located below and, more broadly, see little value in acquiring knowledges possessed by social groups located below them — hence the German who learns English, but devalues Turkish, etc. In the case of English globally, this means those in the U.S., UK, Australia, etc. with English as a MT — and their countries — invest comparatively little in learning other languages while everyone else learns “up”. (There are exceptions: Among a small percentage of English MT speakers who work for extended times abroad, work with minority communities in country, etc.)

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