Comments on: Not learning English in Sydney https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:44:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Nick Wragg https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-7717 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:44:49 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-7717 大家中国人和台湾人!If your English is terrible and you’d like to improve it, then you can join Australia China Youth Association (ACYA MQ). Our group was started by Australians learning Chinese at Macquarie. Look for the red banner in 0week.

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By: Pat https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4773 Sun, 26 Jun 2011 05:14:03 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4773 I believe we can learn English everywhere in the world. We can use English in the daily life, learn from internet, news, cartoon, Youtube, make friends in Facebook etc. Anyway and Anytime.

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By: Royo https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4766 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:01:40 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4766 Part 2……But on the other hand, some of them in fact they may never regret not having studied English hard in their home countries and after arriving here. It is a tough task for most of them: have to overcome many difficulties to adapt themselves to a new environment and have to catch up with their studies. I hope the government, the local council and educational institutions can take care of foreign students well not only targeting a bigger education industry but also taking all possible steps to provide a positive learning environment without prejudice for them.

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By: Royo https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4765 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:00:24 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4765 Part one …..Unfortunately, it is true that some overseas students may have to encounter linguistic discrimination in their everyday lives and meet numerous obstacles to succeed in entering the local society. Do we think more language tuition should be offered to help students and new immigrants who come from non-English speaking background to integrate? Do we should appeal that Aussie people should reinforce their habit of tolerance, and keep an open mind toward overseas students and newcomers without racial bias? Or do we really need to be more self-critical to find out subjective factors rather than objective factors? I met some Asian students who got together to grumble about this country and local people and their peers, I think maybe they are suffering from culture shock, obviously.

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By: Grace https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4686 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:20:17 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4686 Hi Chris,
Thank you very much for your comment!
It would be very fascinating to know more about “cultural comfort zone.” Is it really they are reluctant to leave their comfort zone, after they chose to leave their mother country and pursuit study overseas? If so, why? If not, what possible factors are? : )

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By: Chris https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4667 Thu, 09 Jun 2011 01:34:45 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4667 Hi Grace,

I have some experience on this issue from the other side of the fence. I was born in Sydney and I’ve been raised in Australia. I teach English language and I have also dated women who were Asian students at universities in Sydney. I have also lived in Korea and know what it’s like to live in a country where you don’t speak the native language.

In both situations there’s a common link between visitors who hope to learn the language but can’t seem to find a way – they are reluctant to leave their cultural comfort zone. We all have an idealised version of ourselves in mind when we imagine our life in another country. However, when we live there, it’s often much easier to make friends with our countrymen than it is to create a new social circle or foreigners from nothing. It happens on a microlevel – should I go out with my new Chinese classmates, or should I join a university club or do some extracurricular activity by myself and try making friends with strangers?

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By: Xiaoxiao Chen https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4390 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:38:06 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4390 Thanks Grace, for this very interesting post. Ive also come across some immigants who have been living here for many years but cannot speak good English. It seems that they do fairly well here without the grasp of the English language. But they may also have problems due to their insufficient language skills that we dont know… Looking forward to reading more of your series.

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By: F.L. Feimo https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4155 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:57:40 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4155 Grace, You may interested in this upcoming April 15 webinar: The ‘Genius of Australian Multiculturalism’?

http://www.runnymedetrust.org/news/305/391/Webinar-The-Genius-of-Australian-Multiculturalism.html

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By: Grace https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4066 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:57:40 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4066 In reply to khan.

Hi Khan,

Thank you very much for your encouragement and comments!

I remember I was shocked by my landlord’s wife on the first day arriving in Sydney, who speaks very limited English although she immigrated to Australia from Korea one or two decades ago. We communicated mostly by gestures and smiles. Moreover, I met a girl from China recently, who holds full scholarship for her excellence, and she was telling me her English is still very bad after having been in AU for seven years. She conducts medicine experiments at lab with other international students, none of whom are native speakers, and her supervisor is from Hong-Kong so they communicate in Chinese.

As for the desire to acquire English proficiency, I think merely the fact one wishes to be someone else, whoever speaks English natively, is a considerably psychological depreciation to one’s own identity and self-esteem. English has made them belittle themselves.

All the best to you too!

Grace

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By: khan https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-4013 Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:50:50 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-4013 Hi Grace,

Very interesting post indeed. Before I make any comment on your post, I would like to congratulate you for beginning your doctoral journey under the supervision of Professor Piller and Dr. Takahashi. They are such wonderful scholars and I am deeply impressed with their serious commitment to giving confidence and voice to students . Lucky you. Now about your post, I think it raises some key questions: Do people really improve their language competence by living in countries where TL is spoken as first language by the majority? To what extent could they go for acquiring competence in English? I read about surgery performed on young ones in Korea in order to enable them to speak English with native accent but not about making boyfriend/girlfriend for the sake on language improvement.

I liked your summing up. Very powerful lines. Yes, the main rationale for developing language by human was cooperation( I am drawing on Habermas here)

Wish you a very productive stay,

Khan

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By: Grace https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-3987 Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:34:17 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-3987 In reply to Vera.

Vera

Thank you so much for your warm welcome and encouragement!

The saying is wise! Indeed language doesnt have to be a barrier if more understanding and recognition can be built up along with genuine relationships among people.

Best wishes to your finishing up and a wonderful new page afterwards!

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By: Vera https://languageonthemove.com/not-learning-english-in-sydney/#comment-3984 Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:09:52 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=5039#comment-3984 Grace

A warm welcome to Macquarie University and thanks for a very interesting first post!

Indeed the pursuit of language reflects the basic needs of human relationships. However as one of the local people I spoke to about language learning and settlement in Australia aptly put it: language has become a barrier without needing to be. Like you I hope your friend is lucky enough to find that elusive miracle cure!

I wish you all the best in your PhD journey and look forward to reading more on your experiences.

Thanks,
Vera

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