Comments on: The burden of multilingualism in Australia https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Fri, 02 Jul 2021 13:01:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Kaixuan Lin https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-80568 Fri, 02 Jul 2021 13:01:29 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-80568 If you are from an English-speaking country and you are interested in other languages such as Chinese or Korean, leanring them will help you to find a job in those two countries. But I think you need to learn them well and can communicate fluently with native speakers.

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By: Agi Bodis https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-27247 Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:59:22 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-27247 In reply to Hanna Torsh.

Update on more positive experiences re attitudes to bilingualism, Hannah: post-natal/early childhood care in a not so multicultural area includes advice on bilingualism. Both midwives and child and family health nurses have brought up the topic of using L1 with baby on numerous visits – when they heard my accent. I think it’s a good sign that this issue is recognised at all, especially outside the more multicultural centres.

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By: Sam Wainwright https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-21288 Sat, 05 Oct 2013 00:58:50 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-21288 The poignant observations of the people you interviewed that illustrate that for all our celebrated multiculturalism, mainstream Australian is an Anglophone mono-lingual assimilationist juggernaut.

You might have read Robert Lane Greene’s “You are what you speak”. I remember him saying that despite the USA’s reputation as the great cultural melting pot, linguists call it the “graveyard of languages”. He remarks that despite the fears of the far-right Republican Tea Party “English Only” types, the children of today’s migrants to the US are becoming mono-lingual Anglophones just as surely as those before them.

According to Greene even Spanish speakers are being assimilated at almost the same rate as other migrants, and it’s only the steady flow of new arrivals that maintains a significant Spanish speaking community. I expect the assimilationist pressures are just as strong, if not stronger, in Australia.

As you’ve observed it’s fairly common for migrant parents NOT to pass their mother tongue on to the second generation. I expect language transmission to the third generation must be extremely rare, even where both parents are second generation and bi-lingual in English and the same other language (be it Italian, Greek , Chinese or whatever). Perhaps there are some very tightly “sealed” communities highly defined by a common religion where it does happen, such as some orthodox Jews in the US who continue to use Yiddish, but I can’t think of any in Australia.

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By: Carolla https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-19056 Mon, 05 Aug 2013 22:30:04 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-19056 Very, very, very good article! Eye-opening to say the least. I had a slightly similar conversation last week with three Australians on different days and they blame the rest of the world for not appreciating Australians. They were quite fed up of Australia being regarded as a ‘whole different world’ and ‘its just so far away’. Its like Australia is the ugly step-child to the rest of the world – in their opinion and they felt that it was time “the West starts treating us like we are part of the world and we have a great contribution to make to global affairs.” So, this article, which I will share with them, sheds some light on one of the reasons why (maybe) Australia feels so abandoned. The rest of the world is embracing multiculturalism, multilingualism, and diversity, it would behoove Australia to do the same. After all, the two most populated countries in the world do not speak English as a first language so it would be a beneficial if Oz gets a move on embracing languages if it wants to share the global stage with the rest of the big powers. Thank you for this article though as I was made to understand that Oz openly welcomed multilingualism, especially Sydney.

Is there any way you can share your email with me? I would love to ask you some questions because you and I seem to be in the same language/culture field and it would be great to receive some of your insight.

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By: Paul Desailly https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-19023 Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:09:09 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-19023 In reply to Hanna Torsh.

Dear Hanna

Your thoughts together with your imminent Doctorate give you a deserved forum for changing attitudes. Your work is key to opening minds and to the step by step empathizing on the part of mono lingual Australia as to the challenges faced by multilingual citizens born abroad and their kids . Reading between your lines I feel you might agree with me that the White Paper is flawed (how so?) as far as language tuition is concerned in our school system vis-a-vis most schools and most kids. Perhaps the best way forward is enhanced bipartisanship which, importantly as a precondition, sanctions the appointment of a plenipotentiary Commission. A predetermined fixed choice or position, whether taken by proponents of a universal auxiliary language or by supporters of a national language as in ‘English for all’ or by advocates of a vast multiculturalism program tends to limit true consultation and even to hamper the establishing of such a Commission. The Australian government in its recent 700 page White Paper – Australia in the Asian Century – calls on the nation’s schools to start emphasizing Asian languages, specifically – Bahasa Indonesian, Hindi, Japanese and Mandarin. Though not stated directly the policy paper implies, by recommending Asian languages for Aussie kids, that English is hardly the lingua franca fait accompli for the whole of Asia or for Australia as opined in some circles. That Arabic’s widespread usage isn’t cited indicates that more consultation may com

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By: Hanna Torsh https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-19006 Fri, 02 Aug 2013 04:54:54 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-19006 Kimie’s blogpost: http://languageonthemove.com/language-globalization/english-propaganda-creates-blind-spots

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By: Hanna Torsh https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-19005 Fri, 02 Aug 2013 04:53:58 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-19005 Agi I think your point about things perhaps being less negative in your experience of a childcare centre shows that attitudes are changing. What we have currently are a number of exclusive ways of thinking about culture and language which co-exist with more inclusive ones. Many of my younger participants talk about multiculturalism being normal to them in a way that struck me as very positive, something perhaps which wouldn’t have been said thirty years ago. Now we just need to shift attitudes on multilingualism. The fact that it is growing as an area of study is perhaps significant in that it will result in, and indeed is already resulting in, a theorization of multilingualism which takes power into account. And I think that makes it easier to talk about, because it’s never just about language but about language in relation to social life.
Nicole I think your third point is really relevant too, that the teaching of English in spaces where it is not relevant is extremely oppressive to those who are forced to learn it. I think it demonstrates really well the mistaken idea that English is the only language you need to be successful no matter where you live and what you do. Kimie wrote a great post on this last year in regards to Thailand.

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By: Hanna Torsh https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-19004 Fri, 02 Aug 2013 04:53:36 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-19004 Thanks to all those who wrote comments, it’s great to know that this interests people!
Paul I think you’re right to ask for solutions but I’m afraid you’re also right that there are no easy answers. As we all know, language education is in dire straits in Australia and although my personal opinion is that yes, if another language was a compulsory part of the education system it might go some way to making more visible the experience of being multilingual, we are nowhere near that despite the White Paper and the fact there seems to be a bipartisan recognition of the value of other languages. Changing attitudes is also important and that’s something I hope the kind of research I’m doing can help us work towards.

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By: A.Bodis https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-18971 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:27:31 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-18971 Very interesting, Hanna, thanks for the post! I can confirm some of the phenomena you discuss – speak English, foreign accent (especially now that I’ve moved further away from Sydney). But I was pleasantly surprised that the staff at the childcare centre I visited offered to learn and use key words in my L1 and prepare traditional ethnic meals so that other kids can get familiar with the culture too. I think this sounds promising.

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By: Nicole https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-18963 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:28:35 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-18963 I do think that speaking English with a “foreign” accent affects a lot how people see you and they judge you.

There are 2 different problems though. Migrants have to learn English if they live in an English speaking country, but native speakers should realise how difficult and time-consuming it is and that English pronunciation is very hard.

The other problem is to expect everyone to learn English, even if they have no intention of visiting an English-speaking country. About that problem there was a very interesting talk by a Chinese Esperanto speaker at the Esperanto conference I attended earlier this month in Germany. The Chinese government wants every child to learn English, which causes lots of problems. The average child has no motivation, his self-esteem is going down as English seems very difficult and illogical, an enormous amount of time is wasted that could be used for more useful purposes, etc. In any case according to the Chinese speaker it would be much, much better to teach English only to those interested and not impose it on everyone, he thinks that Chinese children suffer a lot in their education by the way English is imposed onto them.

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By: Paul Desailly https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-18946 Tue, 30 Jul 2013 22:56:10 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-18946 As a teacher of languages in China for a decade who’s residing again in Australia with two school age kids whose mother speaks various Chinese languages (and whose English in some non-colloquial ways surpasses my home grown version) I’d like Hanna to share more of her thoughts vis-a-vis a solution to ‘the double burden of multilingualism’ described. Is a solution to be found in changing some attitudes of the Aussie masses and effecting a cultural swing or is a linguistic solution an alternative a la a recent White Paper on the Asian Century? Perhaps a universal auxiliary language is the solution? None of these three possibilities, or others, is a push over, what?

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By: Analia Vitale https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-18939 Tue, 30 Jul 2013 03:30:20 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-18939 thank you Hanna for your post! I like how do you connect the public discourse
as open to new languages and cultures,
and the real daily world of the foreigners there.

I think that in the case of Japan, we mostly have
the wrong facial features for the ones that we do not look as Japanese,
wrong accent for the Japanese descents from Latin America –at least from my research–
and the wrong language for many that we have other native language or
we are not English native speakers –the language of social prestige.
I would like to hear more from your work!

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By: Miro https://languageonthemove.com/the-burden-of-multilingualism-in-australia/#comment-18820 Sun, 28 Jul 2013 19:24:38 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=14397#comment-18820 Amazing research, Hanna!
I am also looking at how migrant multilinguals experience their repertoire in the specific context of Cardiff, UK. They have a slightly more positive perception of their own multilingualism than it seems to be the case in Australia. However, at a public level, their skills are highly ignored, unfortunately!
Keep up the good work! I think Australia is a fascinating case and this website is great to find out more about what’s going on there!

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