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By: Shima https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2458 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:27:00 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2458 In reply to vahid.

So how lucky Isfahani people are that this stigmatization could not have Iessened the beauty of their accent. It is much appreciated everywhere!
By the way, I wonder how one may consider these posts of you as uninteresting!!! Many idiologies, comments are shared. Fantastic! Thank you both for the posts and for the immediate feedbacks…. Please do keep up the good job and write more….

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By: vahid https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2444 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 01:04:10 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2444 Thank you, Tahmineh & Shima for your nice comments…
I did not exclusively focus on accent in the post because it seems to be rather tricky!
Isfahani accent has highly been stigmatized by the media (especially in the past few years) but is still at work in Isfahan in conversations among Isfahanis, but quite a few number of Isfahani words have lost their appeal and as a results their speakers (you hive rightly mentioned some possible reasons for this).
This is exactly due to this stigmatization that sometimes Isfahanis try to hide their accent when they interact with people from different parts of Iran, which is not always possible! When I was at Tehran University, people would easily recognize me by my accent!

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By: Tahmineh https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2441 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:13:35 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2441 I, as an Isfahani person, personally believe that there is a matter of prestige-seeking in avoiding the Isfahani accent among younger generations. And I assume this is partly because people generally tend to consider the standard accent to be the one mainly common in Tehran as it seems to be more impressive and prestigious! Therefore, no wonder why younger generations try to avoid the accent here.

I truly feel what you are saying; the conversation between my own nephew and my grandma is- linguistically looking- full of metalingual questions cause natije doesn’t seem to understand a lot of words his moms grandma is using! Not that her dialect is old or low-class, but only because it is mostly forgotten!! Thanks to the prestige of the younger generation, of course!

Your post is ,as always, really heartfelt and that picture of Bibi and Majid crowned it! Thank you!

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By: shima gahhari https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2440 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:45:36 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2440 In reply to vahid.

Of course you are right! Both death of a language and globalization of another langauge are motivated by their users, whether they drop in number or grow. But given what Jacoby calls indigenous assessment, those naturally occuring moments in our everyday interactions when we make judgments and assessments about people by their language and specifically their accents…..so why not thinking of people as adopting the strategy of not going against the grain !!! People are judged, identified, and labelled by their languages and accents as representative of their identities. Powerful languages keep up well with technology requirements and modernization,so it is viable. But in case of minor languages,accents and varieties,I think the story is different. They die because societies are advocating a norm which Prof. Piller in her illuminating 2001 article calls one language,one nation, and like it or lump it people are identified and judged against this norm any way…..

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By: vahid https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2436 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:15:42 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2436 In reply to Shima.

Thank you, Shima, for your comment!
You are right! Usually societies try to silence certain minority groups by silencing their language.
I just add one point:
The old Isfahani dialect is disappearing mainly because of the fact that the new generation of Isfahan are exposed to language choices which were not available before, to technologies which were not available before. Besides, younger people/generation have naturally different needs, values, and assumptions compared with their fathers, mothers, grandfathers, and grandmothers and this is why their language tends to be sharply different.
Health peace

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By: Dariush Izadi https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2435 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:20:49 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2435 Language and at times its origin have long aroused researchers interest. Researchers have been carrying out extensive research studies on the development of language macro skills over and over again. However, what has been neglected in this process is an attempt to keep dialects alive. To date, based upon my limited knowledge, not many researchers have shown their interests in the most neglected area of all.
Due to differences in standards of speech, people with different dialects are more prone to misunderstandings and negative judgments are easily made among people of different regions and cultural backgrounds. These judgments and misunderstandings help in reinforcing unfavorable aspects of society, such as racism and discrimination. It is important to teach and demonstrate various dialects that occur in society as a whole. This will promote understanding of others of different regional locations and cultures.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2432 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:21:46 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2432 In reply to Peter Austin.

Language per se is neither just a tool nor just a means of identity. It lends itself to either-or and both. The Dutch and Germans in post-war Australia provide textbook examples of voluntary language shift.

If language becomes closely associated with identity, there are still many different and complex identities to choose from (ancestral vs. aspirational identities; hegemonic vs. non-hegemonic ones etc.) Susan Gal’s classic study of women pioneering language shift from Hungarian to German in Austria provides another textbook example.

Particularly on gender and language shift see some of our resources at http://languageonthemove.com/language-learning-gender-identity

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By: Shima https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2429 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:58:22 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2429 Nice argument! What you are talking about is what Blommaert calls dogma of homogeneity. Societies tend to maintain the integrity of the nation through a monolingual system, but such a system is totally contradicted by multilingual realities. They view differences as dangerous and avoidable, and consider the “best” society as the one without intergroup differences. People all over the world are denied their absolute rights of citizenship (in their countries of residence), immigration and even entry to a country by linguistic requirements and in the name of national inclusiveness. Powerful languages and standard varieties are reinforced at the expence of other languages, varieties, and dialects fading away! Your grandma beautiful accent and wording is not an exception then!

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By: Peter Austin https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2428 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:04:10 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2428 In reply to Juan Pablo.

Unfortunately, your approach is bwrong/b and has been demonstrated to be wrong throughout human history. Languages are bNOT/b just tools but are means by which people also express their identity, history, heritage, traditions, songs and so on. People often have strong emotional connections to their languages and the other people who speak them, and so they dont get discarded like we might throw away an old piece of clothing or an old computer that doesnt work any more. Do you actually have a breal/b example where [p]eople have renounced their languages voluntarily throughout history and nothing happened as against the loss of hundreds of languages around the world because people were bforced/b to abandon them. Have a look at athis blog post/a for further discussion.

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By: Juan Pablo https://languageonthemove.com/the-ethics-of-saving-endangered-languages/#comment-2426 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:32:40 +0000 http://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=3945#comment-2426 In Spain we spend a lot of money preserving different languages. We have created a nation where every village with a dialect wants to be a nation. We have transformed an apparent naive fact into a continous demand of diferenceness. We now see animals as human beings and we do the same with languages. Language is just a tool. People born and die without having used more than 3.000 words. Most people never discuss the magic of an adverb as linguists do. People have renounced their languages voluntarily throughout history and nothing happened. New languages are born when some languages die. Spanish,romanian, catalan, french and sardinian were born when latin died. Ebonics, swahili, creole where created because people needed them. Languages are tools: nothing else. People move around the world and create new languages letting others die. It’s a waste of money to preserve languages, but an understanding view in a world that has humanized everything.

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