Comments on: We, heirs of the multilingual Sumerians https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:24:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Lies we tell ourselves about multilingualism – Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-105650 Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:24:33 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-105650 […] Bilingualism was foundational to the development of literacy. And that is not something we talk about. We kind of imagine the trajectory being the other way around. But people go on and appropriate scripts from other languages and make them their own. […]

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-83701 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 22:03:47 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-83701 In reply to David Marjanović.

Thanks, David! Agree – we actually have no way of knowing how he counted his languages; even today, it’s not unusual for people to exclude their mother tongue(s) from a count of their languages, or a widely used lingua franca that “everyone” is supposed to know …

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By: David Marjanović https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-83682 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:38:20 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-83682 I just clicked through to the translation of Shulgi’s whole poem. The sentence immediately before the quote posted here is: “When I …… like a torrent with the roar of a great storm, in the capture of a citadel in Elam ……, I can understand what their spokesman answers.” Depending on what the damaged parts of the tablet said, this seems to mean the second of his five languages isn’t Akkadian, but Elamite. Now, if he knows all those other languages of areas surrounding Sumer, why wouldn’t he know Elamite, given that he just bragged (earlier in the poem) about utterly trouncing Elam – but it would be even stranger if he knew all those languages but not Akkadian! Maybe he didn’t think it necessary to mention Akkadian even by number?

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By: David Marjanović https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-83681 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:28:35 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-83681 In reply to David Marjanović.

Oh, sorry! I had managed to overlook your postscript and only saw that my comments never got through.

Yes, I certainly agree that stimulus diffusion from Mesopotamia to Egypt may be why the hieroglyphs were developed; they’re definitely not descended from cuneiform in any narrower sense than that, though (there is no correspondence in shapes, meanings or sounds).

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By: David Marjanović https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-83680 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:21:46 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-83680 Just a little correction: the Latin alphabet is descended not from cuneiform, but from Egyptian hieroglyphs (reinterpreted according to the rebus principle in Semitic languages), and the linked video does not claim it’s descended from cuneiform. Cuneiform has not left any descendants in current use (or in use within the last 2000 years).

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82429 Mon, 16 Aug 2021 03:30:51 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82429 In reply to Ingrid Ulpen.

Thank you, Ingrid! Agree that monolingualism is the much more unusual condition that requires explanation and only emerges under very specific circumstances …

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By: Ally https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82414 Sun, 15 Aug 2021 13:50:52 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82414 This week’s articles and lecture highlighted the ingenuity of our ancestors and how language was invented by a collective of people, to fulfil practical needs like keeping accurate records for trade, bureaucracy and religion. The evolution of language, from concrete pictures into more abstract logograms, was a collaborative effort, highlighting the importance of cooperation for the highest good of society. Our Sumerian history highlights that multilingualism may be more ideal for expressing complex ideas between languages and cultures. Colonialism may be responsible for increasing monolingualism as other cultures and languages haven’t been valued so richness of many cultures and languages have been intentionally erased and forgotten.

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By: Grace https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82413 Sun, 15 Aug 2021 13:49:47 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82413 Hi Ingrid, this was a fascinating read along with the other blog post on who invented writing. Reading about the multilingual texts in Sumerian and Akkadian was very interesting as this happened thousands of years ago. And to think that in that time they even had a lingua franca! It surprises me how multilingualism already existed then and that they even had interpreters and translators. It’s quite interesting in contrast that today there are still large numbers of monolinguals in the world when multilingualism has been around for so long.

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By: emme effe https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82403 Sun, 15 Aug 2021 08:16:46 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82403 Hello Ingrid,
Thank you for the very comprehensive and stimulating overview of the invention of writing. Writing is and was always a very powerful tool and it was made clearer by our lecture and readings for this week. Personally, I found it quite interesting to note how multilingual societies and societies with individuals able to communicate in more than one language appeared to be more like the norm rather than the exception also in ancient times. It was also fascinating to discover about early instances of language contact and language mixing. It is amazing how languages seemingly different from one another may share a connection through words that survive over time (it really got me curious and found we have the same word in Italian, “dragomanno”). I am looking forward to deepening my understanding of the topic further.

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By: Ingrid Ulpen https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82399 Sun, 15 Aug 2021 02:37:27 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82399 This fascinating research into the history of writing really amplifies Ingrid Piller’s question: what motivates some cultures to become monolingual?

The Rosetta Stone, bearing the same message in three different scripts (Egypt, 196 BCE) is well-known in Europe and its name is now a byword for multilingualism. Ashoka’s Edicts (Mauryan Empire, from 256 BCE), some of which are written in three different languages, are well-known in India and the subject of both ongoing research and public interest, as this news article shows: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/allahabad/script-used-in-ashokan-pillars-is-dhammlipi-not-brahmi-says-scholor/articleshow/52433957.cms

Now we can add the Manishtushu Obelisk to what we know about the prevalence of multilingual State administration.

A class of educated scribes must have been a necessity, but the multilingual skills of people all over the world who have had limited or no formal education are remarkable. While I haven’t done any research, some casual reflection on my own experiences indicates a link between monolingual societies and historically recent status as a colonising power- or personal dentification with that power.

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By: Natalia https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82397 Sun, 15 Aug 2021 01:03:55 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82397 Hi Ingrid,

Thank you for the detail history of the writing. It is very interesting to learn the history of writing, and how almost all languages around the world are the breeds of Sumerian multilanguage.

Without writing, people will not know about the history, which they could learn from. For example, though the first writing is in a form of spreadsheet rather than a story which most people might guess, it allowed the next generation to learn and understand about the complexity of social administration.

It is also interesting to acknowledge that the language mixing in Sumerian and Akkadian languages were the results of most people fluent in one spoken language only. This results in the Akkadian word ‘injected’ in the written language of Sumerian. Nowadays, I found that most of written language mixing is due to the writer being competent, if not fluent, in both languages.

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By: Jolie Pham https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82367 Sat, 14 Aug 2021 05:12:29 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82367 In reply to Chen Wang.

Hi Chen and Ingrid, thank you for your interesting notes on multilingualism and the bilingual word list in which ancient people managed a lot from the art of writing on crude and/or inaccessible materials to the formal language training in the written-only Sumerian language apart from their actively spoken Akkadian language. Back then, the fundamental purpose was record keeping, and they displayed an excellence on language use to achieve that purpose. In modern days, people are advantageous in multimodalities, technology advancement and ubiquitous information, but we have limited abilities in interpretation and translation with a narrow focus on language mastery rather than values of cultures and social relationships.

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82358 Sat, 14 Aug 2021 01:15:47 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82358 In reply to Zoe.

Thanks, Zoe! Maybe we should ask what motives some cultures have had to become monolingual …

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By: Zoe https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82342 Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:50:32 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82342 Hi Ingrid, thanks for sharing a clear picture of the first inventors of writing – the Sumerians of Mesopotamia and three specific forms of evidence proving that the Sumerians were multilingual. That would be a great chance for me to gain information relating to the characteristic of the Sumerians and their writing. Honestly, I was really impressed by the way the Sumerians used language mixing in their writing since I thought language in writing used thousand years ago was relatively simple. However, my perspective has changed after reading this post. This makes me admire the Sumerians’ language ability and wonder what motivates these ancient people to become multilingual rather than monolingual.

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By: Tammy https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82339 Fri, 13 Aug 2021 11:32:50 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82339 Hi Ingrid and everyone,

Majoring in linguistics, I have always been curious about how was it like to communicate when people didn’t have so-called official languages. Through this intriguing article, I have realized that the concept of ‘official language’ does not necessarily exist. On the other hand, language is not that limited as what I assumed, it is more about using loanwords, mixing with the other(s) to create a new writing system. As an heir of Sumerian, I feel so much proud of how bright our ancestors were and grateful for such great invention. On account of this principle of language formation, it is feasible for the descendants to develop different languages as an identical feature of a region like what we use today.

Cheers
Tammy

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/we-heirs-of-the-multilingual-sumerians/#comment-82197 Tue, 10 Aug 2021 22:55:04 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=23528#comment-82197 In reply to Jay.

Thanks, Jay! It all started out with pictures, which became ever more abstract and slowly developed into logograms, as I explain here.

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