Comments on: What can Australian Message Sticks teach us about literacy? https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/ Multilingualism, Intercultural communication, Consumerism, Globalization, Gender & Identity, Migration & Social Justice, Language & Tourism Mon, 19 Aug 2024 09:49:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: sinem emre https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-108320 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 09:49:43 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-108320 A literacy event that I engage in is when my Telstra phone bill comes in. As soon as they email me my bill, and before clicking the pdf, the title is all numbers (my Telstra ID number). This is how I know what bill it is as they are the only company that I deal with that sends symbols/numbers as the title of the pdf document. After I open up the pdf document, there are so many numbers which confuses me on what I am meant to pay for, so I just look for the bold textbox that includes bolded numbers in it (sometimes even in red).

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By: sara khan https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-106966 Fri, 17 May 2024 17:34:02 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-106966 Thank you for sharing an intriguing topic about Australian Message Sticks and the related examples this week. The literacy event I’d like to discuss is similar to Yudha’s experience. In Korea, job applicants are required to write a self-introduction letter. This letter includes details about their upbringing, how they have overcome their shortcomings, and other personal experiences.

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By: Aarav https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-106247 Mon, 08 Apr 2024 07:20:21 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-106247 Thank you for sharing this insightful exploration into Australian message sticks and their significance in literacy. It’s fascinating to see how these cultural artifacts carry meaning beyond the written symbols themselves, reflecting the rich context and social interactions embedded within literacy events.

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By: How to teach TESOL ethically in an English-dominant world – Language on the Move https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-105781 Fri, 01 Mar 2024 06:18:44 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-105781 […] Ingrid Piller in conversation with Dr Piers Kelly about Australian Aboriginal message sticks. […]

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By: NBT https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100915 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 23:00:12 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100915 ]]> In reply to Ingrid Piller.

Thank you Ingrid! I’ll have a look at it at my leisure. 😊

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100914 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 22:55:28 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100914 In reply to NBT.

If you want to explore message sticks further, have a look at the additional resources by Piers Kelly mentioned at the end of the article. Piers is doing amazing research in this neglected area.

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By: NBT https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100911 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 22:05:08 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100911 In reply to Ingrid Piller.

Oh, thank you Ingrid! Yes they indeed are limited since they only mean certain things instead of the broader aspect. But I was wondering if there was some special pattern in the message sticks that “speaks”. Like certain common paterns to indicate certain things. Is it so? Or were the patterns completely random?

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100908 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 22:02:13 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100908 In reply to Jhonny.

Thanks for this fascinating excursion! I’ve added “Lost kingdoms of the Amazon” to my to-watch list. Sounds amazing!

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100905 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:50:03 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100905 ]]> In reply to Siyao.

Thanks, Siyao! You are right that scammers prey on the kind of automaticity we are talking about here … glad you got out of both these cases before any harm was done! We can’t be careful enough these days 😰

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100904 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:44:46 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100904 In reply to Saraf Anjum.

Thanks, Saraf – I also feel sad about all these message sticks being stolen and made meaningless in museums…
Sorry to hear mail is making you anxious … unfortunately, anything that still comes in the mail tends to be bureaucratic stuff … love letters and even picture postcards and such positive mail are mostly a thing of the past …
Hope you’ll feel at home here soon!

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100901 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:11:43 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100901 In reply to NBT.

Thanks, NBT! These logos and abbreviations are similar in form but their meanings are more limited. The tally marks are a bit like the proto-writing we looked at in class …

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By: Ingrid Piller https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100900 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 21:06:00 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100900 In reply to Logan.

Sorry to hear you caught covid! You are right, sad but true, a literacy event for which we no longer need to read the instructions…

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By: Jhonny https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100888 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 14:54:44 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100888 Although it does not constitute an isolated literary event, it depicts the conundrum between early forms of writing or pictograms, users and meaning. In the Colombian Amazon, large areas devoted to cave paintings have been found and analyzed for years. Due to a research project and a documentary, interest in Chiribiquete (One of the most mesmerizing places on Earth) rose. Because of the flora and fauna depicted, among other discoveries, scientists stated that the area was a sacred territory around 12 thousand years ago. The magnitude of this finding led them to hail the site as “the Sistine Chapel of the ancients”. For some indigenous who inhabit the zone, however, these records recount the cosmological experiences of their ancestors, shedding light on their profound unity with the jungle and its inhabitants. Achieving a comprehensive understanding necessitates a respectful approach that acknowledges the cultural intricacies and respects the profound implications. Furthermore, cultivating an awareness of how skewed perspectives might influence both the evidence and the impacted communities is paramount. (ie. views on coca yagé or ayahuasca)

– Lost Kingdoms of the Amazon – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDmKC_h9Www
– Gaspar Morcote-Ríos, Francisco Javier Aceituno, José Iriarte, Mark Robinson, Jeison L. Chaparro-Cárdenas, (2021)
Colonisation and early peopling of the Colombian Amazon during the Late Pleistocene and the Early Holocene: New evidence from La Serranía La Lindosa .

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By: Siyao https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100884 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 14:25:30 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100884 Dear Ingrid,

Thank you very much for sharing this article, which made me understand that simple activities in life, such as reading letters, can also be analyzed from the perspective of literacies. It reminds me of the spam messages I often received after I come to Sydney. The first time was a text message from an unknown number asking if I had time to see him on Friday. At first, I seriously replied whether he sent the message to the wrong person. Then he apologized and asked for my personal information. I realized it was a fraud message. However, once Auspost sent a text message saying that I have an uncollected package. If I need to deliver it again, please click the website link to fill in the information. As the writing format of this text message is formal, and there is [Auspost] written at the beginning of the text message. I thought that someone sent me a package, so I clicked on the link and filled in my personal information according to the prompts on the web page. I did not feel anything wrong until it asked me to fill in my bank card information to pay for the shipping fee. I exited the link and searched online to see if there was any fraudulent text message from Auspost, checked the phone number carefully and finally confirmed that it was not a real text message sent by Auspost.

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By: Saraf Anjum https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100879 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:56:28 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100879 Thank you for such a thought-provoking article. There are so many aspects of our everyday life that goes unnoticed until they are pointed out. The part about how message sticks are thought to be unsophisticated and are just collecting dust in the museums made me sad. It is quite a coincidence that I received a mail today and I took my time opening the envelop while walking to my apartment. My social anxiety makes this simple step quite a harrowing experience, specially as I am in a foreign country. Fortunately it was just my TFN that I recently applied for. Till now I have not seen a single physical stamp in any of my mails like I used to see back in my country. All of them says “Postage Paid Australia” where the stamps usually are and all envelops look the same. The same monotonous white makes it scary and hard to gauge what to expect inside. Hopefully I will get used to them someday ^_^

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By: NBT https://languageonthemove.com/what-can-australian-message-sticks-teach-us-about-literacy/#comment-100871 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 13:06:59 +0000 https://www.languageonthemove.com/?p=22765#comment-100871 Hi Ingrid,

I first tried reading the post to no avail as I was very confused about the message sticks being related to the bills. Then I took some time listening and re-listening to the audio conversation. Afterwards I re-read the post and I understood. The talk about the logo and the timing explaining what is in the envelope is indeed very similar to the use of message sticks. This reminds me of a few signs and symbols, for example: a certain version of tick mark indicating NIKE shoes. I can go for something more common that we see regularly, like the wheelchair symbol which is used to indicate access for people with limited mobility or the restroom signs or the traffic lights. Honestly speaking, if aliens were ever to come to earth they would not know the meaning of those lights or the public transport symbols (bus,metro,train, etc). There are also abbreviations (Mon, Wk, txt etc.) that we can read despite them being incomplete. We read so many signs and symbols like this in our day to day lives, we do not even need to look up the meaning of them anymore as we already know the context.

(The word limit is such a hassle! I suddenly remembered something that we used before but we do not use anymore. The tally marks, 4 vertical lines crossed diagonally by a 5th line from right to left. They seem very similar to the markings on the message sticks although a lot easier to understand.)

Tasnim.

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